austin_dern ([info]austin_dern) wrote in [info]spindizzy_muck,

And you've got all the time in the world

So I was wandering around in the bookstore and spotted a book with the provocative title There Will Be Dragons, by John Ringo. From the cover it seemed to be based on a premise that might appeal to muckers at least initially -- in a far-future world technology and economics are geared to let people pretty much just clown around, be themselves, turn into dragons, whatever as they like.

The book proper starts up when things fail and they have to go to war over who knows what; I didn't buy the book and am curious if anyone in these parts has. I've never read Ringo before, and have a rule about the longest novel I'll read from a new author when I haven't got the endorsement of someone I trust. And, well, the prologue mentioned the all-knowing master computer concluding it was jolly well time the humans had a war; that's not an attitude I much care for, but if it's needed for a good ride I can accept it.

So, if someone has read it, is it enjoyable? Is there plot, character, and setting in reasonably professional measure? Is there at any point reasonable people would toss the book out the window? How does it compare to Mercedes Lackey and Larry Dixon's FurryMuck novelization Chrome Circle? These are all questions I feel I cannot answer.


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[info]terrycloth

December 22 2004, 08:37:49 UTC 7 years ago

I read it, and liked it... but then, I like most of Ringo's stuff that I've read (mostly the war against the Posleen series). The neat premise about people turning into different things isn't really explored much, because like the blurb says, everything goes wrong and breaks down. Most of it is about a post-apocalyptic society based around a rennaisance festival.

It's also quite obviously the first in a series. I'm eagerly awaiting the others...

[info]austin_dern

December 23 2004, 06:30:23 UTC 7 years ago

Hm ... first in a series, and Renaissance Faire, are warning signals. Still, I'll put it on the list of maybe things to try out when I get through my freshly-acquired Clifford Simak and Stanislaw Lem piles.

[info]dabber

December 22 2004, 22:05:00 UTC 7 years ago

Mercedes Lackey and Larry Dixon's FurryMuck novelization Chrome Circle

Guh buh wuh?

--Tottle

[info]austin_dern

December 23 2004, 07:03:20 UTC 7 years ago

It may not literally be FurryMuck; I forget which online text-based virtual forum it was based on. The novel was part of a series (which came to a halt for, I think, real-life problems) about modern-day elves and their habit of building and racing cars that work just as if humans built them.

Anyway, Chrome Circle follows a kid, a kitsune, a dragon and such who end up doing some darned thing or other, and for whatever reason end up in the Real World represented by the text representation of things on a muck. The plot pretty well stalls out there, but you get iconic things like giant dragons and a cartoon sun and fox-tailed humans and so on hanging around.

I was given to understand a number of the minor characters are recognizable figures from furry fandom of that era, representing one or the other author's time on a furry muck and using it -- quite reasonably -- as inspiration and setting. (It's just before my time, so no, I'm not in it.) I don't remember if they get back to the cars.

[info]xolo

December 23 2004, 03:24:07 UTC 7 years ago

Have you ever read "Mister Boy" by James Kelly? I think it appeared in Asimov's magazine many (10-15) years ago. It deals with a society where people can be rebuilt into whatever physical form pleases them.

[info]austin_dern

December 23 2004, 06:37:25 UTC 7 years ago

I was certainly reading Asimov's in that era, although I'm not sure if I specifically read that one. Was it the one with roving gangs of hammerhead sharks terrorizing the streets and the guy who turned into a dinosaur clone of himself to find a solution?

[info]xolo

December 26 2004, 05:38:00 UTC 7 years ago

You're thinking of something else. Mister Boy was about a 40-something man who'd kept the physical form of a child at his mother's insistence. They kept changing identities, and enrolling him in school as though he were really 12 years old. The mother had given up her physical body some years before and existed as a computer entity, and his best friend was a Troodon (I envied him) who had trouble doing his homework because his dinosaur hands didn't allow him to type well. It was a strange, compelling story. A couple 'Mister Boys' popped up on usenet after it came out :)

[info]austin_dern

December 27 2004, 06:15:40 UTC 7 years ago

Ooh! Now, yes, I do remember reading, and re-reading, that story. One of the parents in it had turned herself into a living replica of the Statue of Liberty, I think. I loved the troodon.

I should dig out the magazine and find it; I suspect I'd appreciate it more now, although I liked it before.

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